economic reporting is an inexact art and not always in science be one can i just ask your question? :lou: yes. megyn: unemployment is still very high. how are the american people doing? :lou: a sophisticated number, if you will, buried within the labor of statistics is the broadest measure of unemployment that is in the workforce, discouraged workers. that remains where it was last month, 14.9%. it is a sign that we are absolutely stuck where we have been. and that is a sincere shame. that means 23 million people remain in great pain and they are suffering as a result of an economy that is adamant in not knowing. megyn: some people have talked about prior -- when we talk to folks like you -- the number of people who have left the workforce altogether. that sort of changes the denominator. i hate going into anything math related. on the calculation, the point is you get a lower unemployment rate if you exclude a bunch of people from the calculation. is that still the situation? lou: in the month of september, it is a difference in which we measure the unemployment rate the way which